Is any Synthesizer V voice database able to do very soft, almost whispery type of singing?
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richiebee
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All the female voices (at least the English speakers) can do something like this using a combination of Soft (Solaria, Natalie, Sheena), Airy (Solaria), and Tender (Weina) and Delicate (Weina) modes. Use them alongside the Breathiness parameter. They won't be able to do whisper exactly. You can use the voicing parameter, but its not a very good emulation of whispering tbh. But the soft sung voices, no problem. Personally to get closest to one of these samples, I'd use Solaria.
Here's Solaria with a bit of chorus, and a bit of reverb added.
View attachment quiet-solaria.mp3
Here's Solaria with a bit of chorus, and a bit of reverb added.
View attachment quiet-solaria.mp3
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Thank you very much for doing this. You're right it gets close and handles soft very well, even if it it kinda misses that "whisper quality". I was thinking of getting Solaria so this is good to know, I hope eventually we'll get the ability to write more "whispery" stuff.
Aymara
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Check out this video ...
... where in the beginning (0:55) Solaria get's saved with Aspiration Output settings. Then in the DAW, this Aspiration is available as a separate track and it contains ... you guessed it ... whispers
Maybe it's worth to experiment with this Aspiration track (raise it's volume, add reverb, etc.) combined with voice softness, to get a more whispery tune.
... where in the beginning (0:55) Solaria get's saved with Aspiration Output settings. Then in the DAW, this Aspiration is available as a separate track and it contains ... you guessed it ... whispers
Maybe it's worth to experiment with this Aspiration track (raise it's volume, add reverb, etc.) combined with voice softness, to get a more whispery tune.
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Check out this video ...
... where in the beginning (0:55) Solaria get's saved with Aspiration Output settings. Then in the DAW, this Aspiration is available as a separate track and it contains ... you guessed it ... whispers
Maybe it's worth to experiment with this Aspiration track (raise it's volume, add reverb, etc.) combined with voice softness, to get a more whispery tune.
Thanks for the tip! That Aspiration track has potential, though by itself it sounds a bit like it's radio-EQed and almost creepy with sustained syllables. I suppose that gets hidden a bit when adding back the original audio at a low level (so that it still sounds like whispers).
One thing that might still be difficult to achieve (but can be heard in the demo tracks I posted) is the sound of the voice "breaking", as if out of breath, switching from whispery singing to pure whisper back and forth. I guess that'd be too hard to replicate on SynthV at this stage but maybe (hopefully) it'll be something that can be done in the future.
Aymara
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This whisper topic might be worth a feature request in the Dreamtonics forum:
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It's definitely needed to combine the two tracks ... normal voice and aspiration ... and as the video shows, there are two ways, one where the original track lacks the aspiration and one where it contains it. Fact is, we have a chance to push the aspiration track to make the overall voice more whispery.
This method might not be perfect, but a first step in this direction.
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Aymara
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I think, Eleanor Forte AI can do better than that with breathiness dialed up. But I could only test the Lite version ... I bet the full version is even better?
But my favorite so far is Solaria in Airy voice mode with breathiness dialed up to around 0.50, gender to 0.20 and then singing in the C3 range.
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Chungus
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I wouldn't say so. I think EF is terrible. It has over-pronounced sibilance that can't be tamed no matter what. Aside from putting the aspiration on its own channel and pulling that back, but that also kills the overall tone, so it's a lose-lose. It also has a synthy quality to it, but using another voice's tuning will get around that, at least.
Solaria can do this kind soft adequately (I wouldn't say well, it always sounds stuffy to me) but definitely not this kind of whisper tone.
I've been considering sending that as a feature request to ES, actually. The voice provider is perfectly capable of such a tone.
Aymara
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Pretty good idea
... but is it only a matter of Solaria or also Synth V? I fear, the later.I hope, Dreamtonics will also introduce the opposite into SynthV: screams & groal.
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Chungus
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I hope so too. Have been for a while..., and will probably continue for a long while still.Pretty good idea
I hope, Dreamtonics will also introduce the opposite into SynthV: screams & groal.
Aymara
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I read somewhere, that they have problems with groal in combination with AI voices. And I guess they had other priorities like ARA2 for example.
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Just came across Feng Yi once more -- not sure about accent or how hard to tweak it might be, but it definitely has a nice airy style...
Aymara
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For my taste this voice is much too childish. But I bet others have a different taste
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Thank you very much for the suggestion! It's certainly soft and airy, but it's not the same type of soft and airy I've been looking for. I've isolated the vocals from the first track, it's not perfect but I put a gate to reduce the amount of non-vocal elements. It's easier to hear it this way. I'd describe it as "fluctuating between whisper and soft singing, with some words starting as being sung and ending in whispers, with a vocal timbre that's on the edge of breaking". I don't think it's yet possible to achieve this using SynthV. The method suggested by @Aymara using the aspiration feature is probably the closest to getting something like the whispers from the 2nd track, but the transition from whisper to singing in this example would probably require a ton of automation that would need to be carefully done (a bit above my skills personally but I'm learning... slowly!
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Aymara
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I think so too, but ... it's time for a bit more experimentation
Here is the Saros demo song In the Air Tonight sung by Solaria with Airy mode and Breathiness maxed out:
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Now imagine you have the same take with a different sing mode, slightly more powerful, and you use both variants as separate tracks in your DAW und you use automation to blend them together, so that the breathiness is always added / blended over at the end of the notes.
Might be worth a try. I guess with added reverb and the above discussed Aspiration (maybe also in a separate track) it might sound pretty nice. Not exactly the same as in the example of the OP, but similar or let's call it a similar feel.
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Yes that's probably the best way to go, though writing the automation for it is gonna be the challenge but that's also where some of the fun is (or at least the feeling of satisfaction one gets after they get it right
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In Studio One Pro it's totally easy ... just automate the volume of the tracks.Yes that's probably the best way to go, though writing the automation for it is gonna be the challenge but that's also where some of the fun is (or at least the feeling of satisfaction one gets after they get it right
To find the correct positions bounce the vocals from Synth V, import the audio to a new track and convert it to MIDI with Melodyne
Downside is, the more complex the vocals, the more manual work it is to set the automation points. But I think, you would mainly do it at the end of a phrase.
