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Looking for orchestration feedback on a short piece

dyross

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Hi folks,

(Wasn't sure if I should post this here or in the Member's music area, but since it's not a finished piece and I'm mostly looking for orchestration feedback, I chose here. Mods FFT move if necessary.)

I wrote a short solo piano piece a few years ago, and wanted to try to orchestrate it. I've attached an export from Dorico using Note Performer 4 built-in sounds and a score PDF.

The goal of this piece is to be a prelude to a larger suite of both orchestral and progressive rock music, so the quick changes in dynamics and moods is a specific intention. Hopefully it's not too jarring (it builds up to a brief loud section 1:20-1:25); I added some parallel compression to reign in the dynamic range a bit, but still quite a big loudness difference.

I would really love feedback about the orchestration if folks have any tips, suggestions, or critiques. While I'm impressed by NP4 sounds, and I think it does a decent job showcasing the orchestration, it is obviously not a finished sound. So, not looking for feedback "the strings sound fake". Yes, they are fake.

(However, if folks have suggestions for libraries to consider to best fit this piece, I wouldn't be opposed to hearing it.)

Thanks!
David
 

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It seems that you're getting a sort of metallic sounding wash of mid high to high frequencies that are too prevalent in the mix. I think it's largely the reverb (or in combination with similar sounding samples) so I would shut the reverb off (as well as any other reflective sounds, convolution etc.,) and then listen to your orchestration. Any instruments that still convey that sound should be replaced. Even if it's strings with more natural sounding strings or winds with better winds etc.

As to the arrangement, since you have a featured flute, why not listen to the opening of Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun and see how he accompanies and frames it with the orchestra to where it's easily heard. You generally don't want competing frequencies with a featured instrument so you might consider carving out a space for it in the orchestra (though you may have done that which is why I made my first comment about unwanted or unnecessary frequencies being present.)

Musically, in the case of that loud rush that occurs in the orchestra which signals a transition, you may want to slow the tempo of the rush or even just the first half, and then a little slower (or even faster) on the second half of it. You also may want to slow a beat or two before the rush. Right now you can hear the computer control and that everything is at an unyielding same tempo. You want to hear the orchestra prepare for it (the slightest halting feeling) and then execute it musically with expression. Everything at an identical tempo will be heard since it's not natural to group musical performance.

Nice music.

Edit: Sorry I didn't see that the score was linked so I'll have a look.

In looking at the score it definitely seems to me that the main issue is your sounds/samples. An inexpensive solution would be the East West Composer Cloud which I think runs 20 bucks a month. You'll get a much more realistic sounding rendition and hear far more what you have on the page. I think your music deserves that.
 
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Hey Dave, thanks for the feedback.

It seems that you're getting a sort of metallic sounding wash of mid high to high frequencies that are too prevalent in the mix. I think it's largely the reverb (or in combination with similar sounding samples) so I would shut the reverb off (as well as any other reflective sounds, convolution etc.,) and then listen to your orchestration. Any instruments that still convey that sound should be replaced. Even if it's strings with more natural sounding strings or winds with better winds etc.

I think I'm hitting NP's reverb a bit hard. I'll back it off and listen for what you're referring to.

As to the arrangement, since you have a featured flute, why not listen to the opening of Debussy's Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun and see how he accompanies and frames it with the orchestra to where it's easily heard. You generally don't want competing frequencies with a featured instrument so you might consider carving out a space for it in the orchestra (though you may have done that which is why I made my first comment about unwanted or unnecessary frequencies being present.)
Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't listened to that piece in a while (was referencing Tchaikovsky a bit more), but I'll take a listen and grab a score from IMSLP.

Musically, in the case of that loud rush that occurs in the orchestra which signals a transition, you may want to slow the tempo of the rush or even just the first half, and then a little slower (or even faster) on the second half of it. You also may want to slow a beat or two before the rush. Right now you can hear the computer control and that everything is at an unyielding same tempo. You want to hear the orchestra prepare for it (the slightest halting feeling) and then execute it musically with expression. Everything at an identical tempo will be heard since it's not natural to group musical performance.
This is a helpful suggestion, thank you!

Nice music.

Edit: Sorry I didn't see that the score was linked so I'll have a look.

In looking at the score it definitely seems to me that the main issue is your sounds/samples. An inexpensive solution would be the East West Composer Cloud which I think runs 20 bucks a month. You'll get a much more realistic sounding rendition and hear far more what you have on the page. I think your music deserves that.
Yeah, I was hoping to get it to a good place compositionally with NotePerformer, then take on the work with samples. I guess these days it's hard to separate those tasks. Thanks for the encouragement!
 
I think I'm hitting NP's reverb a bit hard. I'll back it off and listen for what you're referring to...
Listening to music done in notation programs can be soul-killing. Even when you export the midi to a DAW you still have to hammer it into something completely different to try and breath life into it and make it tolerable.
Thanks for the encouragement!
You strike me as a natural born composer. You should be encouraged. Keep forging ahead and work on enhancing the sound of your work. It's very good.
 
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