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Synthesizer V - Vocaloid haters might want to check this

1.11.0b3 (Beta) is out...

https://dreamtonics.com/synthesizer-v-studio-1-11-0b3-update/

A lot of new features and bug fixes in this update. The deep ARA integration with DAW's looks interesting.
Word of warning on this: even though my current project has Solaria in manual mode, her performance has changed - apparently due to to updates to vibrato.

I hope to find a way to get this back under control because there's too much vibrato going on now.
 
I’m interested in writing ballads. I’m looking for an English-speaking male voice (already have Kevin) and deciding between Saros and Hayden. I’m leaning toward Hayden because I think that he sounds more realistic (in my opinion) Any thoughts?
 
Word of warning on this: even though my current project has Solaria in manual mode, her performance has changed - apparently due to to updates to vibrato.

I hope to find a way to get this back under control because there's too much vibrato going on now.
Man, every time. I pretty much stopped updating around v10,-something because it mucked up old projects. There really should be a way to stop that, or at least revert back to previous versions.
 
I’m interested in writing ballads. I’m looking for an English-speaking male voice (already have Kevin) and deciding between Saros and Hayden. I’m leaning toward Hayden because I think that he sounds more realistic (in my opinion) Any thoughts?
Hayden has surprised me, and for a ballad, I would rather use him than Saros. They both have good belts, and Saros has a great voice for a lot of things, but I think Hayden does soft better, especially in the mid/high register. Very low down he can sound a bit boring.
 
Hayden has surprised me, and for a ballad, I would rather use him than Saros. They both have good belts, and Saros has a great voice for a lot of things, but I think Hayden does soft better, especially in the mid/high register. Very low down he can sound a bit boring.
Thanks for this information. Do you agree that Hayden sounds more realistic?
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Thanks for this information. Do you agree that Hayden sounds more realistic?
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I would call it more natural and smoother for ballads. I do think Saros sounds great, but I don't think their strength is in ballads. Here's the one I'm working on. I will admit that I wrote this melody with Hayden loaded and perhaps some refinement of Vocal Modes/Parameters would improve Saros' audio quality in this sample but I've tried to do something of a rough match of Saros to Hayden and in any event it wouldn't significantly change the delivery. To my ears, Saros is too dramatic, and I suppose musical theatre, compared to Hayden.

Sample with Saros
View attachment Ballad-RPM-saros.mp3

Sample with Hayden
View attachment Ballad-RPM-hayden.mp3
 
I hear what you’re saying. They both sound very good. I agree that Hayden is smoother. He sounds better at the beginning, and Saros sounds better in the second part.
I recently posted this up. I was surprised at Saros' versatility down low. And I think it works well here. The trick is, I think, that every voice has a sweet spot but that may be more contingent on the shapes and intention of the melodies rather than the actual pitch range. After all, they all come with recommended ranges but not every melody may suit. Just a thought.

 
I would call it more natural and smoother for ballads. I do think Saros sounds great, but I don't think their strength is in ballads. Here's the one I'm working on. I will admit that I wrote this melody with Hayden loaded and perhaps some refinement of Vocal Modes/Parameters would improve Saros' audio quality in this sample but I've tried to do something of a rough match of Saros to Hayden and in any event it wouldn't significantly change the delivery. To my ears, Saros is too dramatic, and I suppose musical theatre, compared to Hayden.

Sample with Saros
View attachment Ballad-RPM-saros.mp3

Sample with Hayden
View attachment Ballad-RPM-hayden.mp3
That's a very beautiful song! 😍 Looking forward to listen to it when it's finished.
And thank you for sharing the comparison!
IMHO, it's a great demonstration for how they have completely different approaches. I feel that Saros sound more passionate and hopeful about the matter while Hayden sounds a tad quiet, maybe even disillusioned (although I actually like his voice better).

In the end, it might all come down to what kind of atmosphere you want for your songs. Both voicebanks have their pros and cons. Since there don't seem to be any new English male voicebanks in the pipeline, me, too, I'll have to bring myself to make the hard decision sooner or later these days... 🤔

Anyone of you work with Ryo lately? From what I'm hearing of the new raw demos on Dreamtonics' website, his English seems to have improved quite a bit...
 
That's a very beautiful song! 😍 Looking forward to listen to it when it's finished.
And thank you for sharing the comparison!
IMHO, it's a great demonstration for how they have completely different approaches. I feel that Saros sound more passionate and hopeful about the matter while Hayden sounds a tad quiet, maybe even disillusioned (although I actually like his voice better).

In the end, it might all come down to what kind of atmosphere you want for your songs. Both voicebanks have their pros and cons. Since there don't seem to be any new English male voicebanks in the pipeline, me, too, I'll have to bring myself to make the hard decision sooner or later these days... 🤔

Anyone of you work with Ryo lately? From what I'm hearing of the new raw demos on Dreamtonics' website, his English seems to have improved quite a bit...
I guess that I will have to go with the standard Vi-Control answer...buy both of them!
 
To my ears, Saros is too dramatic, ...
And to my ears Hayden sounds like a very young boygroup singer ... I hate it and much prefer Saros ;)

No offence intended, just a different personal taste.

PS: Could you do me a favor? I would like to hear, how Hayden would sound with a darker voice. Could you post this song again with Hayden's Gender slider set to +0.300 ?
 
And to my ears Hayden sounds like a very young boygroup singer ... I hate it and much prefer Saros ;)

No offence intended, just a different personal taste.

PS: Could you do me a favor? I would like to hear, how Hayden would sound with a darker voice. Could you post this song again with Hayden's Gender slider set to +0.300 ?
I also hate the very young boyband sound (or the theatrical singer sound) that Haydn & Saros possess.
 
I also hate the very young boyband sound (or the theatrical singer sound) that Haydn & Saros possess.
That's why I asked for an example of Hayden with a deeper voice.

In my current project I use Saros with the voice set to Dark & Passionate and Gender to +0.300 ... sounds superb for my taste. But the vibrato also needs to be turned down to 50%.

PS: Here's Saros's demo song with these settings (except lowered vibrato), plus Breathiness set to +0.100


View attachment ITAT_MixDown.mp3
 
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That's why I asked for an example of Hayden with a deeper voice.

In my current project I use Saros with the voice set to Dark & Passionate and Gender to +0.300 ... sounds superb for my taste. But the vibrato also needs to be turned down to 50%.

PS: Here's Saros's demo song with these settings (except lowered vibrato), plus Breathiness set to +0.100


View attachment ITAT_MixDown.mp3
Now that sounds like Asterian. Oh no! Another vocal choice!
 
And to my ears Hayden sounds like a very young boygroup singer ... I hate it and much prefer Saros ;)

No offence intended, just a different personal taste.

PS: Could you do me a favor? I would like to hear, how Hayden would sound with a darker voice. Could you post this song again with Hayden's Gender slider set to +0.300 ?
I agree with the boyband sentiment. I think it suits the song, but yes, of course its personal taste.

Here's Hayden, gender to +0.3

View attachment Ballad-RPM-haden-v2.mp3


And here, going even a step further - soft set to 0, clear set to 105, powerful set to 130 (those are all vocal modes), breathiness set to 0, gender set to 0.3, toneshift set to -267. This goes a bit far maybe - needs eq'ing.

View attachment Ballad-RPM-haden-v3.mp3

Key would have an impact too. If it went up a few semitones it would sound quite different again.
 
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