What's new

Soundcloud -- BEWARE

That’s some wild language and certainly raises an alarm. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the site was made for music creators to collaborate and have a digital library. Seems weird that they would put such language in that completely disregards the content creators. Another thing I don’t enjoy is if I send a private playlist to a client, at the end of the last track it jumps to a random suggested playlist of God knows what. I find this incredibly unprofessional at its confusing to the listener. I want them to be solely focused on the content I sent. Is there any way to turn that feature off ?

Aside from those issues ( which aren’t small), I truly love the platform, it’s integration into websites and sound quality gets the job done.

In their defense of the track use language, I’d assume they’re trying to cover their own butts and stay out of any legal situation between two other parties. I understand that, but there must be a better way that doesn’t sound like they’re openly letting people rip off your music.

If getting followers isn’t your aim, have you considered hiring a code guy to replicate a media player on your own site ? Basically build your own streaming library that you completely control.
 
It's not just "used," David, it's used -- for free. And without notice, as far as I can see -- there is no clear obligation to notify the copyright holder (and by the way, the "copyright holder" appears to be just about anyone who accesses Soundcloud, for practical purposes). I am no lawyer but based on how I read this, someone could, it appears, write an entire score based on your theme (derivative work) without notice or payment; or simply use it in a film without paying you.
Isn't this just for the services on SoundCloud?
 
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Yes, I'm sure I read this and yet I couldn't understand why every man and his dog has a presence on Soundcloud. And just like a sheep I did as so many others have and uploaded but since have had that nagging feeling that I shouldn't have. I look forward to this discussion..
my main reason is, that there people go with more listening intent, and it plays from track to track without interruption, while people do stuff.

And also because i publish a lot, a can´t afford complicated release procedures, principally regarding images.

It is very challenging today to find something that is a not a wolf appearing like sheap


i honestly don´t know! am there in good faith
 
That’s some wild language and certainly raises an alarm. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the site was made for music creators to collaborate and have a digital library. Seems weird that they would put such language in that completely disregards the content creators. Another thing I don’t enjoy is if I send a private playlist to a client, at the end of the last track it jumps to a random suggested playlist of God knows what. I find this incredibly unprofessional at its confusing to the listener. I want them to be solely focused on the content I sent. Is there any way to turn that feature off ?

Aside from those issues ( which aren’t small), I truly love the platform, it’s integration into websites and sound quality gets the job done.

In their defense of the track use language, I’d assume they’re trying to cover their own butts and stay out of any legal situation between two other parties. I understand that, but there must be a better way that doesn’t sound like they’re openly letting people rip off your music.

If getting followers isn’t your aim, have you considered hiring a code guy to replicate a media player on your own site ? Basically build your own streaming library that you completely control.
don´t need code, I have in my site an independent player. BUt people don´t stop for music like this, unless they are clients
 
I've used (and still use until now) SoundCloud. I'm migrating to BandCamp. I've always hated the compression SoundCloud adds to tracks and the artifacts left over. It's a scary time for composers. For sure.
Bandcamp is better in every way imo (except that some internet forums will embed a SoundCloud link for easy listening but not a Bandcamp one).
 
Bandcamp is better in every way imo (except that some internet forums will embed a SoundCloud link for easy listening but not a Bandcamp one).
I tested a Bandcamp link from my own account.


I will check with the addon developer that allows the embedding of Soundcloud, to see why Bandcamp is not showing a player.
 
Last edited:
I tested a Bandcamp link from my own account.


I will check with the addon developer that allows the embedding of Soundcloud, to see why Bandcamp is not showing a player.
I heard back from the developer about Bandcamp:

"The add-on only handles URLs on Bandcamp's canonical hosts, the *.bandcamp subdomains. If you use the Bandcamp URL to post this track it should be handled correctly."

So here is the same track I posted, but with the address as a Bandcamp subdomain, rather than my own domain name I use for Bandcamp. So if you use a vanity URL, it won't work. But if you use the bandcamp subdomain URL, it will.


 
I will (slightly) amend my post, but I still think the warning is warranted.

1. I don't find the terms of use anything like as clear as they ought to be

2. there are far too many weasel paragraphs in it

3. language in one place appears to contradict language in other places, leaving the users in what I judge to be an ambiguous position, one I don't like.

I briefly had a Soundcloud account and took it down because of the user agreement.
It’s a bunch of gobbledygook that I bet even lawyers struggle with.

Thanks for posting this. Glad I never did much with it.
 
By uploading Your Content to the Platform, you also grant a limited, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, fully paid up, license to other users of the Platform, and to operators and users of any other websites, apps and/or platforms to which Your Content has been shared or embedded using the Services (“Linked Services”), to use, copy, listen to offline, repost, transmit or otherwise distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, adapt, prepare derivative works of, compile, make available and otherwise communicate to the public

Read their terms of use very carefully and consider whether you want to agree to them before posting. [edit: while there are other paragraphs in the user agreement that may be intended to address issues raised here, I personally am not comfortable with this language and would not post on the site]
top slice: I'm not a lawyer...

while this sounds scary, it's not really as bad as you think
it basically just gives them permission to allow people to listen to the music you upload
if you think about it, someone could upload music, then when SC streams those to other people, you could argue that they are broadcasting your content without paying for the rights to distribute your IP.
This is intentionally loose though, so it would allow SC to use your music in the production of a commercial (for sound cloud). This also allows people to share links and embeds of your music or listen to them in public. So yes someone could set up a computer with SC, and play your music at a festival, like a DJ would with cds, mp3s, records etc.

note that it does not allow anyone to redistribute your works as their own
it doesn't allow movie studios to download your work and put it into a movie
it doesn't allow anyone to sell your work in any other format*
*in theory someone could sell a soundcloud playlist link, or sell a link to your work, they are not selling your work, they are just selling the knowledge of your work, as far as I know nobody is stupid enough to purchase anything like that unless it's disguised as a dumbass loser investment scheme (nfts)

this isn't as bad as it looks, it basically just means "hey, your music is on our site, and how people listen to it is out of our control, don't expect any money"

note the use of the word "limited", I wonder if those limits are described elsewhere
if I had to guess, the limits are private listening only, as SC likely doesn't want people using their software at clubs/bars/venues or on tv shows or in stadiums without paying them

I think this is loosely regulated though, think of how often a show will broadcast a tiktok or youtube video and do a segment, often the segment is what makes it fall under "transformative". which is ok and makes sense. SC would likely take legal action if say Viacom broadcasts a channel that just simply streamed soundcloud music. I'm not sure their team would protect you if your music was ripped and used in a movie or commercial, but this agreement does not grant permission for that (though it likely wipes their hands of any reason to get involved)

sorry, long rant, this is a big fat "I'm not a lawyer" sandwich

almost any site you load stuff to that has extensive public reach will have something like this. facebook, youtube, I'm sure distrokid even, vimeo, tiktok, instagram. Anything where the selling point is "get this in front of as many faces as possible". They are "free" services, what you are buying is exposure, hosting, and the ability to distribute. What you are paying is permission for people to view your work.

the reality is, if you're uploading to soundcloud, you probably don't need to even worry about this stuff. And if you have the leverage where this makes you loose money, you don't need to be uploading to soundcloud
 
As it is a 4yo thread, I'm surprised that Soundcloud is still in business tbh. I don't think I will release music there moving forward..
 
haha didn't know this was 4 years old
it doesn't surprise me soundcloud is still around
it's not a good platform to "release" music on anyways, it's a platform to share and promote music
 
…Another thing I don’t enjoy is if I send a private playlist to a client, at the end of the last track it jumps to a random suggested playlist of God knows what. I find this incredibly unprofessional at its confusing to the listener. I want them to be solely focused on the content I sent. Is there any way to turn that feature off ?
I find it annoying as well because the transition can be very jarring. The only idea I’ve had is to create a placeholder track to add to the end of every playlist. It would simple have a voiceover saying something like, “thank you for listening; for more information visit my website at…”. I might add 10 seconds of silence at the beginning and 3-4 minutes of silence at the end.
 
while this sounds scary, it's not really as bad as you think
it basically just gives them permission to allow people to listen to the music you upload
if you think about it, someone could upload music, then when SC streams those to other people, you could argue that they are broadcasting your content without paying for the rights to distribute your IP.
This is intentionally loose though, so it would allow SC to use your music in the production of a commercial (for sound cloud). This also allows people to share links and embeds of your music or listen to them in public. So yes someone could set up a computer with SC, and play your music at a festival, like a DJ would with cds, mp3s, records etc.
The problem was never about what permission is given, the problem is that the music is there without any watermarks for anyone to use. In certain countries, like China for example they'll just use your music right in their tv adverts, tv shows and movies without you even knowing, never mind getting any compensation. It's basically the law there, that they can use any music however they like so if you put it out there it's theirs for the taking. That's why I'd only ever put music out there with a watermark and then short of someone pirating the music and spreading it, there wouldn't be a simple way of getting hold of it.
 
that's not exclusive to soundcloud, that's what happens when you put your music anywhere
watermarking is up to you
and unless that watermark is audible, no one will know
and if it is audible, you need it on every release, basically making the watermark part of the song
it's a bit silly to go to those lengths, to ruin your own music, because someone who you really wouldn't be able to take any legal action against anyways, if you even found out, might steal it

but again, that's not a soundcloud thing, that's just a public audio thing
 
that's not exclusive to soundcloud, that's what happens when you put your music anywhere
watermarking is up to you
and unless that watermark is audible, no one will know
No it's not exclusive to soundcloud although Soundcloud is the biggest site and basically none of the music is watermarked. I'm also not aware of non-audible watermarks, that would seem to not be a watermark at all.

and if it is audible, you need it on every release, basically making the watermark part of the song
it's a bit silly to go to those lengths, to ruin your own music, because someone who you really wouldn't be able to take any legal action against anyways, if you even found out, might steal it
Protecting the copyright of anything causes hassle for everyone. There's not much you can do about that although you can't really not do it either or you're just throwing your product away. This is mainly for protecting against people you can't take legal action against, like I described above. If it's watermarked he won't be steal it, that's the whole point.
 
The problem was never about what permission is given, the problem is that the music is there without any watermarks for anyone to use. In certain countries, like China for example they'll just use your music right in their tv adverts, tv shows and movies without you even knowing, never mind getting any compensation. It's basically the law there, that they can use any music however they like so if you put it out there it's theirs for the taking. That's why I'd only ever put music out there with a watermark and then short of someone pirating the music and spreading it, there wouldn't be a simple way of getting hold of it.
I don’t use SC anymore, but when I did, tracks were ripped off in the US, and used on network radio. I had no money to sue them, so, oh well.
 
Top Bottom