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Great Zed said:
He's got a very distinct style, if that's what you're getting at. He's probably not the best fit for every type of movie. But you can't tell me Schindler's List sounds exactly the same as Harry Potter, War of the Worlds, Jurassic Park, Witches of Eastwick, Jaws, The Terminal etc, etc. His canvas is the orchestra, which he's able to bend at his will to fit picture better than most if not all living composers (without all those fancy Kontakt libs), and I'll bet Ludwig and Hans are big fans.
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They are, but I’m just not a fan personally. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a master of his craft, but his music just doesn’t excite me at all, it’s great to study and learn from, but I don’t get any enjoyment out of listening to it. I don’t want to hear only an orchestra all the time, what I love about Hans and Ludwig is that they can drastically change up their sonic palette which still maintaining their unique voice, so when I listen to John Williams music and I only hear a classical orchestra all the time I get bored very quickly
 
I get it. He might grow on you. I used to dislike a certain composer when I was younger (who I shall not name here out of fear of stoning), but slowly over time became one of my favorites.
 
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KEM said:
John Williams = Joe Montana
Hans Zimmer = Tom Brady
Ludwig Göransson = Patrick Mahomes
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Brady has 7 rings and 10 appearances. Williams has 5 Oscars and 50 something nominations. That's probably more apt. Unless you're basing it on age and era, and not comparable skills.
 
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Prockamanisc said:
Brady has 7 rings and 10 appearances. Williams has 5 Oscars and 50 something nominations. That's probably more apt. Unless you're basing it on age and era, and not comparable skills.
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Yeah true, I compared John Williams to Joe Montana cause he’s more of the old school guy that your parents love, and he’s definitely a legend, but it’s just a different time now and the playing field is so much different. What I see comparable between Zimmer and Brady is that neither one of them are “technically” the most talented, neither one of them are the most skilled, and if you’re going by the books neither one of them should really have had the success that they’ve had based on those factors, but what makes them alike is that they both have that “I’ll get it done somehow” mentality that’s carried them to so much success. It’s not about being the best, it’s about working harder and smarter than everyone else, and that’s something I see between both of them

And of course Göransson is like Mahomes in that they’re both on fire right now and taking everything over, and they can really do it all as far as their skillsets, Mahomes can outrun you just as good as he can throw a 50 yard hail mary, and Göransson can write some classical orchestral fanfare while at the same time making some futuristic djent/trap hybrid electronic score
 
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@KEM some « off the beaten (sound)tracks » of John Williams that you may want to check : The Terminal, Stepmom, Heartbeeps, Always, The Fiddler on the Roof, Rosewood, Angela’s Ashes, Jane Eyre, Fitzwilly,…

You will not like some (most?) of them but it’ll show you that JW is far more than “wagnerian” orchestra. :)
 
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KEM said:
Yeah true, I compared John Williams to Joe Montana cause he’s more of the old school guy that your parents love, and he’s definitely a legend, but it’s just a different time now and the playing field is so much different.
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Actually, Williams is the talent of Drew Brees, the most accurate QB in history, with the rings of Brady.

Williams got his first Oscar nomination in 1968. You know what else happened in 68? The second Super Bowl. Williams is Bart Starr.

He won his first in 1972. Williams is Roger Staubach.

He won again in 1978. Williams is Terry Bradshaw.

Then again in 1983. He's Joe Theisman.

And again in 1994. He's Troy Aikman.

And I also say he's Eli Manning, cuz if you put him head to head with anyone else, he's going to beat them.
 
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Prockamanisc said:
Actually, Williams is the talent of Drew Brees, the most accurate QB in history, with the rings of Brady.

Williams got his first Oscar nomination in 1968. You know what else happened in 68? The second Super Bowl. Williams is Bart Starr.

He won his first in 1972. Williams is Roger Staubach.

He won again in 1978. Williams is Terry Bradshaw.

Then again in 1983. He's Joe Theisman.

And again in 1994. He's Troy Aikman.

And I also say he's Eli Manning, cuz if you put him head to head with anyone else, he's going to beat them.
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But at the end of the day, he’s not Brady ;)
 
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If you haven't got Goldsmith in your Top 5, either block me now or send me your address so I can come fight* you

(*or rather stand outside your house and play all of his scores really loud until you agree to put him in your Top 5)
 
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Personal opinion, I put Goldsmith above Williams in terms of style and diversity. Alien, Chinatown, Star Trek, etc . Not a fan of John Williams, just like I don't like Tom Brady.

But there is no denying their skills and influence.

Just like current football. I'm more of a Josh Allen/Joe Burrow guy, even if Mahomes is the most dominant right now. In the end, it's all subjective and fun.
 
Inventio said:
All of them. I don't see the point to try and find the greatest. It is not a horse competition ;)
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True. Even for others to say the playing field has changed so JW is dated or whatever, that doesn't work. What the composer did at the time is exactly why we still revere the genius of them, otherwise Max Steiner and Bernhard Hermann and JW and Goldsmith and all the rest need to be wiped. Might as well tank Mozart too, since he unknowingly wrote Amadeus. ;) (I know, I know, needle drop but it works).

We watched Last Crusade the other night for the first time in years, and now with a more trained (or simply aware) ear, I was listening to JW's compositions throughout the movie and I really got why he's the Jedi master. For the record, I really like Thomas Newman, from Nemo to 1917 and all points south.
 
L70 said:
Personal opinion, I put Goldsmith above Williams in terms of style and diversity. Alien, Chinatown, Star Trek, etc . Not a fan of John Williams, just like I don't like Tom Brady.

But there is no denying their skills and influence.

Just like current football. I'm more of a Josh Allen/Joe Burrow guy, even if Mahomes is the most dominant right now. In the end, it's all subjective and fun.
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Goldsmith is so good. I remember watching a movie last year (Sum Of All Fears) and I was like "this is a unique score, but it's really solid...I bet it's Goldsmith. And it was. He never ceases to completely nail it. Never too much or too little. As much as we should aspire to have JW's craft and ability to write some of the greatest memories of the 20th century, we should aspire to be Jerry Goldsmith as just an all-purpose, never-fail composer.
 
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tmhuud said:
Oh.. I dont know. I guess maybe Aaron Copland and that Display guy.
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Here it is, a full week later, and I am still cracking up over “… and that Display guy”, LOL! This isn’t something I can even share with friends and family, they wouldn’t have a clue what or who I was talking about. Gotta love our unique community. ;)
 
PaulieDC said:
Here it is, a full week later, and I am still cracking up over “… and that Display guy”, LOL! This isn’t something I can even share with friends and family, they wouldn’t have a clue what or who I was talking about. Gotta love our unique community. ;)
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Dont take the silliness too far or the hammer will fall from those that remain silent.

And yeah, there are those that are just your favorites. Let me think of a personal favorite growing up that didn’t go anywhere but had an impact on my life: 🤔 2 off hand : Mike Batt and MJL (Michael J. Lewis) Although MJL had a career.
 
Well…Mike did too but wasn’t very prolific. Hey! Wanna hear an AMAZIBG soundtrack to get the blood running? Check out “Caravans” by Mike Batt.
 
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