d.healey
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Anyone posted this yet? https://fadr.com/synthgpt
"Generative AI is the greatest risk to the human creative class that has ever existed"
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quickbrownf0x
I had fun once. It was awful.
Ha, good point!Show me a machine that has biological sexual urges and I won't just dismiss that point of view out of hand. That's my Turing test.
In the meantime let's all contribute as much as we can to humanity while we're passing through, please.
If software (code) can also change and replicate itself over time, isn't that a form of natural evolution right there? Everything else could just be emergent the same way it is for us meat bags, things like a drive to survive (long enough to pass on your code) and compete, all the way up to higher-level phenomena like making art, finding some sort of personal purpose/meaning, etc.?
@Post Singularity mentions "simulating the full range of (human) emotions)" above. Where's the line between simulation and actual experience/consciousness? Looks like there's a bit of a grey zone there if you ask me? So sure, advocating for AI rights at some point in the future kind of makes sense then. I don't know.
jbuhler
Senior Member
This is weirdly recursive as the process folks are describing with respect to iterating something like MidJourney to produce the image they want resembles subtractive synthesis if you look at it right. Each iteration is akin to the application of a new set of filters or effects aimed at shaping specific bits of the picture and the prompts are akin to the knobs, sliders, and so forth for making the changes. What SynthGPT seems to be aiming at, insofar as it’s not just aiming to cash in on the AI bubble, is similarly transforming all the knob turning of synthesis into ordinary language. I’m not sure about the claim that it will make sound design faster since you have to have an idea of what you want. But it seems in this light an attempt to create a quite different approach to a GUI. And I’m curious if SynthGPT as concept seems more like a tool than something like MidJourney, which seeks to produce a final image whereas SynthGPT is producing a final sound that might be used in a composition.
ScarletJerry
Senior Member
So now we are using artificial intelligence to create music with artificial instruments?
Beautiful vivid reds with a nice contrasting pastel like background. I would say nicer work than a melting wax figure. But why does the face look dead?Well, I can agree that the user is a wanker, but still, a "wanker artist" is still an artist.
I have been wanking it lately and "art directed" this with Midjourney v6.
It does not look like vomit to me.
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All of this is just is a reminder to thank myself once again, that I don't have to depend on music for a living.I'm sure somebody has already brought this up, and I truly am not writing this to piss anyone off whose livelihood is being threatened. But why is this any different than when synthesizers, samples, and VIs replaced real human musicians? I don't hear any composers on here complaining about that. On the other hand, human professional musicians still get work for high-end orchestral media music, and concert music as always, and they get paid for recording samples. And likewise, there probably will be opportunity for tech-savvy composers for leveraging or to even help create or curate AI technology for music. Again, I'm glad I don't have to figure out that hustle. And personally, prefer to create music from scratch because I like being a musician and making music in real time. But I wonder if this technology will actually help minimize programming, tedious editing, and button pushing in general?
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Noeticus
Motion Picture Producer
Because it's my wife! Ah hahahhahaha.
Because it's raining. So, a bit of cinematic metonymy.
fretwalker
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Can't copyright AI generated content? How do you know it was done by AI? How do you prove that it was or was not?
Post Singularity
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It is very different because unlike synths , samples and VIs ... AI is going to affect everything everywhere not just music and it won't take the decades it took for samplers to produce acceptable results
Pier
Senior Member
What we have today are extremely specialized models that perform very limited tasks. Just because midjourney is producing amazing images it doesn't mean suddently there will be a new model that can do any other task. Eg: billions have poured into self driving.
What you're describing is AGI and today this is science fiction. Nobody knows if, when, or how we'll get to AGI.
Your first sentence: having the machine create music isn't any different from electronic instruments?
Your second sentence: you don't hear it, but anyone who's had the experience of going into a studio and having live musicians play their music surely misses it.
Noeticus
Motion Picture Producer
Well, they do know how to get to AGI. It's called science and engineering etc.
It may take some time, but I think that since they now know what to scale and what to iterate etc., they will achieve it sooner as opposed to later.
I already wrote something about that earlier, but your premise that 80% of jobs are going to be replaced assumes that there won't be any work to do - never mind that it's not a real statistic.
No one knows what is going to happen.
If you are on this forum you must be using VIs regularly? Why not hire human beings to play your music instead? There are lots of human musicians, and abundant conservatory students and graduates looking for a gig that would be happy to do it. Adjusted for inflation, and because supply greatly exceeds demand, they are probably significantly less expensive than they were before VIs. I would even bet that for small scale projects, they would be bang for the buck compared to the excessive amount of libraries folks blow their money on over the course of a few years.
Or hybrid approach with VIs for pads and humans for solos is sensible.
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Post Singularity
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Even if you don't believe in a scenario where a non aligned AGI or ASI destroys us all ...( I don't know if we are close to AGI or not but the evolution seems to be exponential ) specialised models and things like deep fake technologies are already causing problems and it will get much worse very fast ( that isn't Sci FI anymore at this point ) . My fear is that so many changes in such a short period of time could cause our societies to collapse and accelerate what Andrew Yang called " the war on normal people " or the famous concept from Harari " The Gods and the Useless " Also a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune : “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
On the face of it, yes, it would look like what you wrote makes sense. However, having done that a few times, it doesn't work out that way many years ago - there's a reason why studio musicians are sought after and well paid: they excel at what they do and can cut down on time and cost due to their musicianship. Students cannot, even the best, because the level will be quite varied.
I don't speak for others, but if I had my way, I'd only "MOCKUP" (if at all) to convey the feel and color of the score for directors, then record live. Always. There's no substitute and it's been proven to me over and over again. It's not just that it sounds more real with a live player, but the great ones will imbue their essence and interpretation onto your notes elevating it beyond what you could have done all alone. That is a quality I'm definitely after, when budget permits.
So even after all this time, human musicians (the ones on a professional level) still beat VIs for an artistic performance. I'm glad somebody spoke up.
They beat VIs only when the VIs are trying to emulate them. (And by the way *everyone* knows that! It's not like someone finally had the nerve to speak up.)
VIs - synths - can also make sounds that no other instrument can make.
That's also the answer to your other rhetorical question about hiring real musicians. Well, that and today's budgets.
Seriously, Louie, you're posting in a forum that's been here for a long time and is full of people who work with these instruments every day. I hope you'll be able to come up with music that no one else is making, but you're pretty unlikely to be offering new philosophical insights into the way music gets created.
