"Generative AI is the greatest risk to the human creative class that has ever existed"

quickbrownf0x said:

If software (code) can also change and replicate itself over time, isn't that a form of natural evolution right there?

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It's machine learning.

Today is Valentine's Day. I feel bad for people who believe that we're just biological machines!

Nick Batzdorf said:

They beat VIs only when the VIs are trying to emulate them. (And by the way *everyone* knows that! It's not like someone finally had the nerve to speak up.)

VIs - synths - can also make sounds that no other instrument can make.

That's also the answer to your other rhetorical question about hiring real musicians. Well, that and today's budgets.

Seriously, Louie, you're posting in a forum that's been here for a long time and is full of people who work with these instruments every day. I hope you'll be able to come up with music that no one else is making, but you're pretty unlikely to be offering new philosophical insights into the way music gets created.

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Just seems like a double standard to complain about what you are already engaged in...A huge amount of musicians have been replaced by VIs, and now uproar because of few composers are likely going to get replaced by AI. So it's okay for the composers to replace the musicians day to day, but not okay for directors/producers/editors to be doing the composer job?

But I can take a hint and see that you are a moderator, so I'll respectfully exit and stop posting on this forum.

Louie said:

Just seems like a double standard to complain about what you are already engaged in...A huge amount of musicians have been replaced by VIs, and now uproar because of few composers are likely going to get replaced by AI. So it's okay for the composers to replace the musicians day to day, but not okay for directors/producers/editors to be doing the composer job?

But I can take a hint and see that you are a moderator, so I'll respectfully exit and stop posting on this forum.

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You're not being disrespectful and the last thing I want to do is chase you away.

The point you're making about jobs being replaced is important, but not at all the one I for one am making. My point - to repeat repeat repeat myself - is that a machine that produces "art" is sucking away the soul of humanity.

Music seems quite different to visual art in terms of generation by AI. We can already generate music without any AI involvement so have a more directed form of generation is probably not too difficult. Getting AI to generate the sounds as well seems slightly pointless in some ways. Yet that is limited essentially to phrases and loops rather than inventing a new kind of symphony, for example.

With visual art there’s not even that level of generative capability since what it does is basically copy elements from existing images. So it can’t really generate anything novel - if the LLM has never been fed a particular type of image it will never generate something like it.

They’re running out of new data though. Perhaps by generating artificial LLMs they’ll somehow create something new.

Twenty years ago I joked: "guys! It's gonna be great! I can't wait until I have a USB 7.0 port on the side of my head, that I simply connect the cable to and it downloads all of my best musical ideas, fully formed and ready to go!"

The closer we get to that, the more I think, nah. If creating art isn't hard, I'm doing it wrong.