One reverb plugin to rule them all?
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tc9000
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Inspirata Pro here too! Baradla Cave is my safe space
That said, if I was only gonna get one reverb and cost was a factor, it would be Valhalla Vintage Verb for me, please. Never before has so much reverb been given for so few bucks
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PaulieDC
Too much gear, not enough composing. Oy vey.
If your current requirements are good reverb while you can in a questionable economy, I have to bring this up again even though I just posted about it:
On sale for $17.99, normally $279, kind of hard to beat. Like most reverbs, you get a cleaner sweeter sound when you apply EQ to trim out the low mud and high sizzle, usually a high-pass filter about 500HZ and a low pass filter about 9KHz or so. The SSL FlexVerb comes with its own SSL EQ built in. Also, the algorithm they used on the fader between Early Reflections and Reverb Tails just sounds good when you try different ratios. I’m a Lexicon PCM groupee, lol, but I’m liking this SSL a lot more than other reverbs I’ve tried, as a runner-up. I mean, 18 bucks on sale, something to consider. Also understand that this is just my take on the reverb, others may think it’s not so great.
Interesting. I've never rolled off the high end, and I high pass much lower than that - like 100Hz.
And I mean interesting, not "interesting."
motomotomoto
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Imo one only “needs” two reverbs. A nice clean one like ProR2, Cinematic Rooms, or Vahalla Room, and a character reverb for getting dirty like Little Plate, or Vahalla Vintage Verb. After that it’s just taste, one isn’t better than the other. OP I suggest you exhaust your stock reverbs first I suspect they are sufficient, but then take a look at getting a clean verb for placement in the sound stage and a character verb for effect to your taste.
Peter Roos
Senior Member
All three are convolution reverbs
It's just a trick, when you see $279 and a huge discount, so looks like it's an amazing deal. But they can put any price for that plugin, anyway nobody buy it for the full price because there is always some discount. Like Waves with their $29.99 deals - don't know anybody, who get their plugins for the full price.
No any offence to the plugin or SSL, I just mean that "full price" is very abstract number and just a marketing trick. I could be wrong, but it seems I got it some years ago for free, as a bonus in Plugin Boutique for the purchase.
doctoremmet
Senior Member
You can use any reverb as (one of a series of) tool(s) to do that, but Spaces does not have a specific focus on this in the same way Berlin Studio has.
They do.... but in a different way.
Some reverbs (halls, studios, stages, churches, etc. etc.) come with the choice of 'FR' mic pickup, or 'RR' mic pickup. (ie: sending the backrow of percussion through an 'RR' reverb in the same space really makes the soundstage very realistic as to an actual live situation)
And, some reverbs have different instances in which the convolution sampling was done for different sections of an orchestra or studio room.
They really work!
You can load in a couple different reverbs on different bus channels depending on the size of your projects.
Having used the original Spaces and now the new Spaces II, I've found that I usually find a perfect solution to any project.
And, really, Spaces really brings sampled instrument libraries 'to life'. That's what counts to me, even for 'sound design' type projects.
It's hands-down one of the best purchases I've ever made.
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Gregory Blakeborough
Larry Beethbrof
I use three (that IMO have no business sounding as good on a budget): TSAR, LX480, and Little Plate.
I also enjoy the VREV-666 for spring (but don't use as often /only on guitars).
I also enjoy the VREV-666 for spring (but don't use as often /only on guitars).
shapeshifter00
Active Member
I have Spaces 2 and love it. But now I only use Savant Labs Quantum Room Simulator.
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utkujj
First violin section member in State Opera
Thank you for informing! Do you think Spaces alone could be a sufficient plugin for all the reverb need? Or should i also buy an algorithmic reverb for complete my workflow?
Spaces is good ! you can us the Algo of your daw.....
Astronaut FX
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To a large degree, it’s going to come down to the kind of music you create. If you’re primarily working in orchestral pieces, then maybe. If you work with synth, guitar, etc. then maybe not.
It‘s kind of important to understand that among the many, many reverb plugins that are out there, they don’t just differ by type and by the sounds they can achieve, they differ in terms of ease of use and workflow, and purpose.
For example, yes, most reverbs can help with instrument placement. But some have workflow elements or other features that help significantly shorten the time to do so. Others may be capable, but will require more time, effort, and know-how from the user to get to the same results.
Conversely, a reverb that excels at orchestral placement can be used for some more experimental use cases. But again, something like Blackhole will get you there much, much faster.
So to the question, “can there be only one?” Yes, maybe sonically, but that ignores workflow factors. Right tool for the right job.
It's pretty common in pop/rock production. So much so it even has a name: https://westlakepro.com/abbey-road-reverb-trick/
Peter Roos
Senior Member
If you replace "high pass" with its equivalent "low cut": 500-600 Hz is certainly not "low"... in my opinion, at least.
And the mud range, that the article mentions as a risk factor, is also much lower.
This topic was more about orchestral mixing. I am not sure if creative, or effective mixing for pop/rock applies here.
And the mud range, that the article mentions as a risk factor, is also much lower.
This topic was more about orchestral mixing. I am not sure if creative, or effective mixing for pop/rock applies here.
Spaces 2 is excellent. I think it is one reason that the EastWest Hollywood Orchestra sounds so good. I subscribe to the Composer Cloud Plus and it includes everything EastWest makes. Including Spaces 2 of course. Have you thought of a monthly subscription? Composer Cloud Plus is great value for money. Through my free Slate Digital subscription (included with the Solid State Logic subscription after Gobbler collapsed) I get VerbSuite Classics by LiquidSonics, who also make Seventh Heaven and Cinematic Rooms. It's another wonderful convolution reverb. I think you should probably have a really good algorithmic reverb. My favourites are Sonsig Rev-A and LX480 from Relab Development. Also available on a low monthly subscription price. Not that I subscribe to that one. I actually purchased those two. I don't know why so many people hate subscriptions. They are perfect for musicians on a budget. I am not sure if only purchasing a convolution reverb is a good idea. Many use algorithmic too.
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utkujj
First violin section member in State Opera
Thanks! I rarely use synth in my music and doing mostly cinematic and video game style.I can do more easily work with guitar,piano and percussion for reverb touches.But i think it's very difficult to mix strings and brasses.I can’t find the sweet spots during
reverb mixing.
In Spaces there are plenty of presets for the different instruments Strings, Brass, piano etc... this will help you and little by little you will be able to go further.
